Biggest Best Life

What Burnout Trauma PTSD and Grief Can Teach Us About Healing and Purpose with Nurse Janna Holterman

• Lauren Chapnick • Season 1 • Episode 12

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In this episode of Biggest Best Life, I sit down with CVICU nurse and burnout coach Janna Holterman, whose story is one of heartbreak, healing, and fierce transformation.

Jannah opens up about nurse burnout, PTSD after COVID, and her personal devastating loss —all while showing us what true courage looks like when life shatters and you’re left to rebuild piece by piece.

We talk about what it means to lose yourself in caregiving, how to start finding your way back, and why intuition is the quiet voice that can save you when logic can’t. From EMDR therapy and trauma healing to nervous system regulation, self-care, and reclaiming your identity beyond the nurse label, Janna shares powerful insights for anyone walking through grief, burnout, or emotional exhaustion.

If you’ve ever felt like you’ve given so much of yourself that there’s nothing left, this conversation is your permission slip to start over. You’ll learn how to reconnect with your intuition, find strength in the darkest moments, and rediscover who you are underneath the labels, roles, and expectations.

We talk about:

  • Healing from trauma and PTSD through EMDR therapy
  • Nurse burnout and compassion fatigue during the pandemic
  • Finding purpose after loss and grief
  • How intuition can guide recovery and emotional healing
  • Practical ways to reset your nervous system and recharge your energy
  • Reconnecting with your identity and power after losing yourself

This episode is a love letter to every nurse, caregiver, or woman who’s ever whispered, “Who am I now?”

You are not too late. You are right on time.
 And you are stronger than you think.

Listen now and share this episode with someone who needs to hear that healing is possible and that they, too, can live their biggest, best life.

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Website: www.jannaholterman.com

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Janna Holterman:

I didn't even know who I was.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah.

Janna Holterman:

Like who was I beyond the nurse label at the work or the wife or like the caregiver? Like I was like, who who is Jana? I feel like I really had lost sight of myself in all of that. And that was kind of part of me picking up the pieces. Was number one, I had no idea how strong I was until I went through all that and continued to persevere. But number two, like, who am I? Like, what does that even mean? Like what am I here for? Like, why did this shit happen to me? And what am I gonna do with all of this, like, these pieces that I've like left all over the floor?

Announcer:

Welcome to Biggest Best Life, the podcast that dares you to dream big, live louder, and step fully into the rock star life you are made for. You're not too late. You're right on time, and we're just getting started. Here's your host, Lauren Chapnick.

Lauren Chapnick:

Hello, friend, welcome back. You are listening to Biggest Best Life. I'm your host, Lauren Chapnick. I would like to introduce you to our guest, Jannah Holterman. Today's interview brought me to Hampton Florida. I do 100% of my interviews. And I'm so excited for you to meet her and to hear her story. Without further ado, here's Jenna. Jenna, hi, thank you so much for joining me on Biggest Best Life. I'm so happy to be in your hometown. Yeah, welcome to Tampa. Tampa, yes. So let's start at the very beginning. Let's go back to young Jenna. Okay. And where did you grow up? What did you love to do as a kid?

Janna Holterman:

Um, so I grew up in Canada near Toronto in Hamilton. So it's like halfway between Toronto and Niagara Falls. So very close to the US border. And so I grew up there. I have my grandparents and like an aunt and uncle in Florida. So I like spent a lot of summers when I was out from school living in Florida and kind of like did that through my childhood because my parents worked, so I spent my summers with my grandparents kind of thing. I played like field lacrosse, soccer, played several sports. I feel like I always like wanted to do like the dances and stuff, but older brother, I played sports.

Lauren Chapnick:

And did you always want to be a nurse?

Janna Holterman:

No, I really actually didn't. And so I have like fit fairly um a few family members who are in healthcare. So it was kind of like in the background. And in high school, I'd actually worked in my aunt's office. She's a doctor, and I like scanned documents. So I was definitely around the healthcare field. I was like, I'm gonna become either like a biochemist or like maybe a vet or something. Like I want more that side of things, and so when it came for applying for college, I applied to like four biochem programs and one nursing program because my mom's like, you should apply to nursing, and I'm like, I don't want to be a nurse. So I applied to nursing um because my mom insisted on it, and then we were doing like our tour of the different campuses to see which one was you know gonna be the one that I decided to go to, and there was something about like going onto that campus that I was just like that like this is the one, and I knew that that was like I guess I'm going to nursing school, yeah.

Lauren Chapnick:

So it was I heard you say this actually recently on a podcast, yeah.

Janna Holterman:

It was like this feeling, you just it was intuition, you just knew 100%, 100% my intuition, and that was before like long before I ever trained intuition one whatsoever. But I feel like I um, as we had talked about earlier, like it it very much is that like I just was the person who had that inner knowing, like I just knew certain things were for me, certain things weren't for me, and that was one of the times that I like and I'm so grateful that I trusted it because it definitely the the journey I've been on, but I'm glad I trusted it, and that that kind of like led me to where I'm at now, and definitely nursing was that right career for me.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yes. So you started working in intensive care, yep, still relatively a new nurse, yeah, and then COVID happens. Yeah, how how did that impact your life as a nurse?

Janna Holterman:

I think um very quickly on, I I've never just been like a brushed things under the rug person, which is amazing because I grew up with the like, I'll give you something to cry about kind of parents. So they were brushing it under the rug, but I was very like aware of like, okay, like I have a problem, let me look into this and figure things out. And so I had already like at that point been listening to podcasts and reading personal development books, and like I was so interested in that world that I already kind of had gone down this like life coaching rabbit hole and was already investing in that like knowledge and understanding. So when COVID hit, I had actually like just finished my life coach training, so I kind of did that like right away. So I did that very quickly, and um so I feel like and you did that because sorry to interrupt, yeah, you wanted to help other nurses with burnout, correct?

Lauren Chapnick:

Because you had already experienced it, yeah.

Janna Holterman:

I had experienced it like right off the bat. So, what did you learn during your life coaching training? I really started on the the journey of understanding that like I kind of created my own results in that like if what I focused on I created more of like where like my thoughts created my actions and my emotion or my emotions, my thoughts created my emotions, which created the actions and how I show up in the world, and that was really what was creating the results in the world. I I do think it's deeper than that now, but I do think that was so incredibly powerful because it really gave me the autonomy over my own life and recognizing that I had power to change my circumstances, to change how I was feeling and move in a way that felt more aligned. It gave me a lot more sense of purpose and empowered me on what I was capable of in my life. So COVID hit. I do feel like I didn't actually burn out again as much as I had before because I had these tools and things, and I had um sought some help and tried different therapy, like talk therapy at that point. Um, things just to like, you know, okay, maybe things are affecting me. I'm watching more people die than I've ever watched die before. Like this could be definitely affecting me. So I had sought help along the way and tried to get support for that. Um, but what really deeply affected me was like later in 2020, I was working in the CVICU and they kind of had trained pretty much everybody to work with ECMO patients. Basically, ECMO can be in COVID context, like taking the blood out of the body, oxygenating it, pulling your CO2 out, and returning it to the body. So you're have a machine that's sitting beside the bed acting as that patient's lungs. So while these patients' lungs were so incredibly sick they weren't able to function enough to support their body, we are now being their lungs supporting their body. The problem with these patients and how sick they were, they had like with COVID, it has like um like your blood is more prone to clotting. Um, and because of that, they had to put them on blood thinners, especially when you're putting any external foreign body in the body, it's more likely to cause inflammatory response and have higher clotting. So running the blood through this pump increases clotting even more. So the COVID that they were having increased their clotting risk, and now you have a machine that's increasing their clotting risk. And a lot of them were incredibly, incredibly sick. They were on lots of blood thinners to prevent that clotting from happening. And I don't know what it is about that COVID virus, but the amount of like sedation and things that these patients needed to keep them asleep was like astronomical compared to a normal sick patient that would, you know, need to be in an induced coma for whatever reason. And so I don't I don't know if it was the high doses of the medications or COVID itself, and I think part of it was COVID itself because I had friends and stuff who had had COVID and had like awful night terrors. But these patients like would wake up and look at you like you were trying to like murder them, they were terrified, and even if like you would talk them down, like hold their hand, it nothing seemed to like connect to them that they were okay, like they all looked terrified, and it was like not just one, it was like multiple, multiple patients. It's it was it was so awful because they were like, Am I doing the right thing? You start doubting it because you're like, they look like I'm trying to kill them, and I'm like, I'm not trying to kill you, like I don't know. Yeah, it was that was difficult, and then as I mentioned with the anticoagulants, and they were on such high doses of it to prevent the clotting from happening that they would be bleeding from like their mouth, their ears, their like all all things that should not be bleeding. Yeah, and so it's literally a horror movie, it was a horror movie, and so I had like months of this, and I definitely developed PTSD because like I would like wake up at home sleeping and I would just see like these patients who look like you were trying to murder them, and they're like eyes are bleeding, and I'm like, oh my god. Wow, so that was what deeply affected me um in like almost like a PTSD kind of thing where I just kept seeing, like, seeing that horror in their faces.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah. Okay, so then what was going on at this time in your personal life and your relationship? I know you were in a relationship, you had a fiance at the time, Shane. What was going on with him at the time?

Janna Holterman:

Um, so 2020, we were supposed to get married in May, and we had, of course, a big wedding planned. COVID happened, all that got cancelled, honeymoon got cancelled. We were supposed to go on a cruise, so obviously that did not happen. Um, so we did end up having our wedding. Uh we just had like a backyard wedding with like my parents, his parents, and that was kind of it. And we ended up going to like Niagara Falls because we could get a hotel room there for our like honeymoon. So pretty much after immediately after the honeymoon, I think he got COVID on our honeymoon, he got sick. And so he was very, very sick, never to the point of going to the hospital, but like you know, all could barely get out of bed. He was having like a lot of nerve, like neur neurological symptoms, like he was having like shooting pains and like light flashes in his eyes and things like that. Well, with like the GI symptoms and all that, and cough and everything. So he just like was not improving. So he started going to doctors, he went to like a neurologist, all these things because he was still having these like like almost like lightning strike nerve episodes where he would just have this like shooting lightning go down his like nervous system. Was that something that happened with a lot of people? Is it rare? I think it was very rare. I mean I haven't heard of that. People had like some things, but never, I don't know anybody else who had that kind of thing, and that was kind of like he had CTs, MRIs, nothing showed anything that would logically explain explain why he was having these issues. So he was off of work for about three months because he was just like he was sleeping like 16 hours a day, could not function, couldn't get out of bed. If he was trying to do things, he was getting these like like almost like migraine symptoms and then these like shooting pains. So he really, really struggled. The thing that lasted even beyond those three months was the nerve symptoms that he was having, and he just had this like incredible paranoia, like this level of anxiety. Like he had had like small mental health things before, but everything he had worked through, recovered from nothing was long term. But like the level of paranoia that he had after having COVID was like next level, like he would like just little things would just set him off, and he'd be like, Everyone's out to get me, and you're like, Wow. So he had started getting some support, he had started some therapy, he um since I was in the life coaching world, he started working with a life coach, um, and nothing seemed to quite help with the paranoia and anxiety, even the medications and things like that. But he was back to work, he finished his master's program, he was functioning enough to be able to finish his master's program, do his dissertation, and decided that you know he wanted to continue on with his career. So we he started looking for PhD programs. So he continued to struggle and got significantly worse. His first semester of his PhD program. I don't I I I kind of called it like the honeymoon phase of like we were moving in a new place, we were going out, we were doing all these things, seeing new things, he had new friends, and he like I'm like, okay, everything is getting better. Like, you know, this was just a phase, we've moved past it, and things definitely did improve. He was going through the process of getting his green card here in the States, so he couldn't leave to go to Canada, and he couldn't go home for Christmas, and that like rocked his world because his family was very important, Christmas was very important, and so we did spend Christmas with my family who was here. Um, but him not being able to go home for Christmas in 2021 kind of was like the beginning of the downhill slope for his mental health. At that point, the anxiety and the paranoia was still there, but he just became like severely depressed, and it just continued to worsen and worsen and worsen. We tried everything, like he started to suffer from insomnia. We tried so many different kinds of meds to help him sleep, we tried different like anxiety depression medications, all kinds of different things. Nothing seemed to help. Everything, every pill seemed to make him worse rather than better. Um, my family came down like for a week at a time. I had like my brother come in, my mom came, like my parents came together, his family came down, um, his parents had come set together, his mom had come separately, like everybody in both of our families were trying so hard to support him and give him all the tools and resources, and I really truly felt like we tried everything. Like, yeah, we really tried all of the things that we knew we could do at that point in time. Yeah, yeah, of course.

Lauren Chapnick:

Um, and what was that like for you to give just so much of yourself at work, especially so soon? I guess COVID was still going on, yeah. Um, and come home and then give so much of yourself at home. Like what happened to you and were you able to care for yourself during that?

Janna Holterman:

I definitely feel like all of the all of the things that I had learned to do for myself through like the life coaching slowly and gradually started to like fall off because I felt like I was doing so much, like working the 12-hour shifts at work and then coming home and like worrying. Like, I mean, even when I was at my 12-hour shifts, I'm like, is he okay? Especially if there wasn't somebody taking care of him, because he had also taken ended up taking a leave of absence from school because he could not function to do his program, and so if he was home alone, I was just like, What like is he okay? I'm worried all day long, texting him, like like constantly being like, check in with me, do this, do that. It was the next level drained, exhausted, definitely burnt out more deeply than before, and there's just a there's definitely a level of burnout when it's like you can't escape it. Yeah. Before when you're like, okay, I'm drained and exhausted, and I'm just so depleted from these patients, but at least I get to go home and sleep in my bed and like you know, maybe binge watch Netflix and eat some ice cream and like decompress from it. Whereas that was like, okay, I'm drained and exhausted, now I'm coming home and like caregiving and mentally caregiving for somebody with like the invisible illness, is so much more challenging because it's like, oh, if you have a physical illness, okay, I can take care of that and then move on. But like when it's your brain, you never know. Like, you never know what mood he's gonna be in, you never know what's gonna like set something off, and it was just constantly that like on edge that I was in that fight-flight mode for like a full year.

Lauren Chapnick:

Wow, yeah. I mean, you can't escape it. No, like your cortisol levels must have just been through the roof. I can't imagine, yeah. Um, so take us back to that day in 2022.

Janna Holterman:

Yeah.

Lauren Chapnick:

So you go to work, you're at work, and you you get this feeling.

Janna Holterman:

It was actually a day where I was like orienting another nurse, and I kept on like, you know, trying to teach her, and I kept on just like being so distracted, like I can't focus. Like, there's just I'm trying to be a good instructor and I can't focus. And I was just like, there's something like that ickling, like you know, that prickly on the back of your neck, like something bad is gonna happen. I got until like later in the afternoon, and then I was just like, something bad is like happening right now. Like, I just felt this like pit in my stomach where I was like, I was literally like practically in tears, and I like run out to the charge nurse, and I'm like, I have to go, and she's like, What's wrong? And I'm like, I don't know, but like, can you go take over? Like, I need to leave this building right now. Before I had done that, I had actually called the neighbor who um they also had a dog, so we had kind of like gone on dog walks and knew each other pretty closely. I was just like, Hey, can you go knock on the door? Like, that's all I asked. Like, can you go knock on the door? Just like see if anybody answers. So they had gone and knocked on the door and nobody answered except the dog barked. So the dog barked, nobody answered. And um, I so I that was kind of like that final like I gots to go feeling. So I had d drove home probably very recklessly, but I made it, you know, pulled into the driveway, and I'm like, I have no idea how I got here, kind of like level of and ran upstairs and you know, got into that place, and um Shane had taken his own life well. So I called the police. He had been like he had passed like hours prior, like it had been a long time, and being a nurse, like I immediately kicked into nurse mode and started doing compressions on him, even though like it had been far too long to mean anything. And when the police arrived, they had like pulled me off of him because they could also see that I had been too long to mean anything, and I just remember the police officer being like, you know, like he's gone, and I was like, I just couldn't be the one to say that. Like, like being a nurse, I know that, but I like like that logical part of my brain couldn't, so like I think I did CPR on him for like 25 minutes.

Lauren Chapnick:

It was yeah, uh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Yeah, so how did you start to heal? How do you pick yourself up from the PTSD of COVID and the hospital and then losing the love of your life? What were some things that you did to get yourself to where you are now?

Janna Holterman:

So the first couple of days were just like you don't even know where to start, like it's just like that level of devastation and grief. Um, so after Shane had died, one of my my best friend here in Tampa, she was like, You need to go to therapy, and I was like, Okay, like I've had bad experiences with therapy, like it didn't help, but like this is kind of major, I probably need to go to therapy. And thank God she did the research for me because I don't think I had like the mental capacity to do that. Um, and so she found somebody in Tampa, and I actually ended up working remotely with her, but she is in Tampa, and she does EMDR. So it's there's different versions of it, but basically, like it's binaural connection and helps you process traumatic PTSD things or traumatic things that have happened. Some of them it's like watching a dot move on a screen, some of them it's like it's sound moving back and forth, or some of them you're like holding things that like vibrate in hand to hand, depending on the kind of meth modality that that therapist uses. But basically, this therapy is designed to help you go back to that situation and then actually like process the information moving from like the right side of your left side of your brain and actually like work through it and move past it so that I could think about those things without it like literally just bawling my eyes out. Because if I even shared my like two seconds of my story, I'd just be like a weeping mess kind of thing. Whereas going through all that therapy, I can I can share the story. I would I wouldn't say comfortably, but like without it being devastating. Like um, so that's really I feel like the thing that helped the most at that early stage. EMDR is what it's called. Um I should have like looked, I always forget the no, that's okay. So you're reliving, you have to live through the moment again in your brain, but then you're looking at a either looking at it or like feeling the sensation or hearing the sound, depending on the method that that therapist uses, and it it helps you like actually process it and move past it, process the emotions and things like that, so it's not like an avalanche every time you open the closet door. Um so it it and there's also components of it to calm your nervous system and things like that, so you create this like feeling of safety in your nervous system, and then you process it, and then you come back to that feeling of safety, and it does literally rewire your brain when you're looking at those situations, and so that was so so helpful.

Lauren Chapnick:

So, I mean, all this work you've done on yourself and you loved your nursing career, yeah. You give that gift to other nurses too. You do one-on-one coaching, you you have a group program, I know membership, yeah. Membership, and now you do intuit intuition training. Is that what am I saying it right?

Janna Holterman:

So, yeah, I I use my intuition with a lot of my like one-on-one sessions and things with my clients, um, and that's just been an incredibly powerful thing. I I believe all of our like traumatic things that have happened to us happen for a reason, and going through all the things that I've been through really helped me grow into actually who was I because I I feel I feel like after Shane had died and I had gone over the the initial trauma of that situation, I feel like I had given myself away to helping him for like so a year and a half, two years at that point, that I didn't even know who I was. Yeah, like who was I beyond the nurse label at the work or the wife or like the caregiver? Like, I was like, who who is Jana? I feel like I really had lost sight of myself in all of that, and that was kind of part of me picking up the pieces. Was number one, I had no idea how strong I was until I went through all that and continued to persevere, but number two, like, who am I? Like, what does that even mean? Like, what what am I here for? Like, why did this shit happen to me and what am I gonna do with all of this, like these pieces that I've like left all over the floor? Um, and that that journey kind of lasted from like 2022, um, probably all the way to like the end of 2023. Like it was like a full like year and a half process of like, okay, who am I? What am I supposed to be here doing? What am I supposed to like? Why am I like why did I go through all this? Like, what now? And really picking up all those pieces.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah, and you did such incredible work on yourself. What would you say to somebody who is burnt out right now, nursing or any career? Yeah, what are some things that they can do to kind of get themselves to a better place?

Janna Holterman:

I honestly it starts with recognizing that it's a problem because I feel like so many of us are sweeping so many things under the carpet, and you know, we're overeating, over-drinking, over-shopping, doing all these things to try to make ourselves better, feel better, and it only lasts for 30 seconds, and then we're back to being with ourselves. Over and over and over again, I just see so many people, they're just not really pouring into themselves, they're not prioritizing themselves, we're giving to others, and that was exactly where I was at. It was like I was giving to my nursing career, I'm coming home and giving to my husband, and there's nothing left for me. And it's honestly impossible. Like if your complete if your your phone doesn't work at zero percent, and yet we expect ourselves to work at zero percent. So if it's even just figuring out like what is one hour that I could spend over this whole week. So maybe it's 15 minutes here, 15 minutes there, what is something that I could do that's authentically for me? And I mean, yeah, the self-care of like going for a bubble bath or getting your toenails done or something is great, but like, what is something that is just like you really genuinely loved at one point in your life? Maybe it was painting or playing music or just going for a walk and spending time in nature, like really it starts with recognizing how important you are, and the more that you pour into yourself, the more that you can pour into others. And if you take care of yourself, number one, you're shed setting like an amazing example for everyone around you, especially if you have kids. Yes, but you're actually giving yourself that capacity to show up and be fully present when you're in that state of burnout. You you can't, it's completely impossible. You have no capacity, you can't be present, you're just going through the motions, numb to everything.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah, it's like a reset button, it's a recharge. Yeah, like you're recharging your cell phone battery, yeah, and so many people they don't want to take the time to do their hobby 100%.

Janna Holterman:

And I mean there's so much like brain reprogramming, like our brains are neuroplastic, which basically means that we can reprogram our brains, and that is the deeper work that does take time. But if you were gonna do something, prioritize yourself just 15 minutes there, 20 minutes there, it's the starting place to give you that energy to have a little bit more momentum to want to do that more work to get you to that place of feeling better.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah, that's really great advice. Yeah, I think that applies to everybody across the board, not just nurses. Tell me a little bit about your intuition training and how that plays a role in your coaching.

Janna Holterman:

Yeah, so I think um most people can relate, but definitely like nurses have such strong intuition, and I was the same way with like you could have a patient who has perfect vital signs, perfect blood work, and you're looking at them and you're like, something's wrong. And everyone would be like, What do you mean there's something wrong? Like, there's something wrong with this patient, and they're like, but nothing tells you that. There's nothing logical about that. That is intuition, and it's the same with like moms who like you're like it's been quiet, and they're like, I know little Jimmy's like in the cat cupboard eating chocolate chips, like yeah, they're and then they go and they find out, and that's the exact thing is happening. It's not generally logical, but they just know, and that's it's an inner knowing, it's an inner knowing, exactly, and that's basically everyone's intuition. Like, you could be walking down the street at night and get that like prickly, like somebody's looking at me following me. That's your intuition. So, what I've done is recognize that that was a skill that I naturally had, and then you know, found um my trainer Allie. Um, and she's kind of taught me how to grow that to be like on a scientific level of like I can test percentages of like so when I'm working with clients and things like that, and they say, you know, hey, I have this recurrent thing where my manager. Is always condescending to me, and we're like, okay, so like we can see this is the surface issue that's happening on a repeat. What is the root issue? And pretty much everything has an emotional root cause of like what is the deeper level of that, and with intuition, we can actually figure out what the root is and basically find their best way to shift that. So whether it be through some neuroscience reprogramming or like a somatic practice or a different thing, like actually the tools that are gonna help them move past that the fastest. It really takes a lot of the guessing game that I feel like I had when I was doing straight life coaching out of it and gets people results so much faster because it's like truly customized to them.

Lauren Chapnick:

I love that because as nurses we want everything to be backed by science. 100%. And so it just sounds very woo-woo to be like, well, I just had a feeling. And it's and to know that there's training and research and science behind it, it's so exciting.

Janna Holterman:

It it really is exciting because I feel like modern like psychology and neuroscience and like quantum physics and all this stuff is like catching up to that. They're now starting to like prove that like people can sense other people's emotions without even saying a word and all these things. And it really is like we we have our electromagnetic field, and it's really like telling everybody how to treat us, but then we're also looking at you, and if you're saying, like, oh, this person's like kind of hunched forward and like they look a little sad, that's also telling my brain how to treat that person versus the person who's like shoulders back, like they look confident, like all of these signals are so subconscious to our brain. But basically, what intuition and things is doing is telling you how to pick up on all those and notice those different things, and I can tell you, you know, oh, this is how she thinks about herself because this is how she's carrying herself, this is what her energy is telling me, all these things, and there is a lot of research now that is showing and proving this, which is so amazing, and I love it.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah.

Janna Holterman:

Oh my gosh, I love that. Um, so where can people find you? Yeah, so um my website is literally just my name, Janaholterman.com. Um, you can see I have a podcast you can access there. The one-on-one membership and the Radiant Nurse Essential membership is all through that. Um, and then I'm pretty much across the social platforms, um, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, whatever, at um Jana Holterman as well.

Lauren Chapnick:

Easy, and I will put all of that in the show notes. Um, before we close out with my two questions that I ask everybody, is there anything else that you wanted to share that you that we didn't cover?

Janna Holterman:

I don't think so. I feel like that was a well-rounded comprehensive.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah. Um, complete this sentence. Happiness is self-acceptance. Love it. Uh, Jana, what do you think it means to live your biggest best life?

Janna Holterman:

Um, I think it really is finding yourself and then being like bold and authentic to you, and really like living that path of like, yeah, it's gonna be trial and error, but finding like, okay, I want to help people in this way, trialing and erroring until you get there, and let like each time it goes wrong, you learn something, each time it goes right, you learn something, and really not being afraid to try things to go out there and see, like, yeah, this this is like something that I'm interested in. Go after it.

Lauren Chapnick:

Yeah, awesome. So, your membership is called the Radiant Nurse Membership, and that's so fitting. Yeah, I I think you are such an inspiration because your light could have gone out with all of these things that have happened to you.

Janna Holterman:

Yeah, but sometimes that I'm like, I gotta turn to alcohol and drugs.

Lauren Chapnick:

I mean there's so many different things that you could have done, and I think people would have understood in a way, you know? Yeah, you've you've been through it, but you've chosen to be a radiant light for everybody around you, and I think you are an inspiration. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, it's been an honor. I appreciate it so much. Janna, thank you for sharing your incredible story, for being so open and vulnerable with me and with everybody listening. I can't tell you what a privilege it was to sit with you and spend time with you, and now to be connected with you, it is such an honor. I said when I first met Jana, the word that came to mind was light. And how fitting that the name of her membership for nurses is the Radiant Nurse Essentials. I can't get much more perfect than that. So everybody, thank you so much for listening. If you want to connect with Jana, I have linked her website, her socials, and information. If you are a nurse who wants to join her Radiant Nurse Essentials membership community, I would highly encourage you because Jana is an amazing person to work with, and we are all so honored to have spent this time with you today, Jana. Thank you. That's gonna do it for today, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. Remember, trust your gut, get off your butt, and I will see you the next time. Bye-bye.

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